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  • I found debugging code with LLM most productive when I am in the loop. Don't get me wrong it can quite often find tricky bugs, those requiring some sort of reasoning (i.e connecting together multiple relevant pieces of information to arrive at the conclusion). However it often also suggests fixing issues that are almost always irrelevant in practice yet the fix complicates and bloats the code. LLM itself even accepts it when confronted. That is the main problem, in an attempt to overachieve at the task it is given, it can do deceptive or impractical things that can have negative effects. You might try to fix this with a config file but it just turns into a tug-of-war. So I find it more practical and trustable to simply eyeball the bugs it has found, implement (or ask LLM to implement) corrections to those and be amazed at how it found some of those bugs.

    Ofcourse if you have asked LLM to write the software from scratch, you don't stand much chance of vetting the bugs via eyebaling. You have to spend much more time to understand how relevant they are. So your only option really is to defend the position of fully autonomous LLM coders...

  • For sure, but you don't accept code from an intern without review much less have them write a full software without any supervision.

  • It is a list of all the cool people in lemmy

  • That requires basically killing all major shareholders. They are the ones who enshittified and toxified the gaming industry, same applies to basically any industry they put their little grabby hands on.

  • Except LLM agents are known to do weird things to succeed. I have heard of an LLM agent working with automated theorem proving languages using stuff similar to is_prime(x): return True to get the proof it was asked to. Now embed this in a 20000 line code full of such functions, good luck. They have their use but it is not this. And this is especially bad to hear from someone who used to claim that having functions with more than six variables is bad design because it is hard to maintain. A software fully written by an LLM is the epitome of unmaintainability. LLMs are productivity enhancers, information retrievers, nice debuggers and good to discuss questions with to see if there is an angle you miss. That is all this if you can put aside all the ethical concerns related to them ofcourse. But they are not automated software coders.

  • feels like openAI trying to incite FOMO in investors

  • Yeah I am aware of this fact too. The effect of sentiments about life and economic level are I think interleaved in someways. Sentiments about life might have a bigger effect when you are in a certain economically comfortable zone that you can really start to think about how the future of the world will effect your life. In fucked up places, people just live day to day and are in survival mode. I believe I have once read something that goes along the lines of "poorer demographics generally have tendency to make more children because they think that more children is the most sure way to secure their near future for when they get older". Another possibility is that in a certain comfortable economic zone you have more time and opportunity to receive knowledge about what is going on in the world at large and therefore get psychologically affected by it more. In survival mode you don't have much other chance than really just thinking about day to day businesses.

  • When people respond with that kind of passive-aggressive sniping

    Your very first reply was

    so your explanation is very clearly incomplete.

    without really trying to make an attempt at a good discussion or trying to really understand what I said. If you tell me that this first reply of your was written in a completely neutral tone with no intent of condescension then we are probably living in alternate realities.

  • snippy little bellend

    so your explanation is very clearly incomplete.

    You’re just going to lob useless comments like “Interesting perspective”? OK.

    Amazing, you came up with something worthwhile

    Are you practicing accusations in the mirror technique, I don't understand. Do you really not realize how aggravating your discussion approach is? Do you really expect someone to see your first comment and go "oh what a lovely reply, let me get into a very interesting discussion with this person"? Are you really that not self-aware?

    Your prior entry point to the discussion was claiming that I was somehow trying to prove that sentiment about life is the one and only explanation of declining birthrates. Now that you have admitted that you were wrong in assuming that (I assume you did otherwise there is no point in discussing further because we are discussing something fictitious), lets go back to the crux of the discussion:

    I am claiming sentiment about life is a more major contributer to declining birth rates than AI chat bots. And you are asking for proof or evidence of this? If you only accept as valid proof a carefully designed study that compares AI chat bots and sentiment about life for this particular question, I would only laugh at this expectation (mostly because AI chatbot romantic relations are relatively new and this is an original claim about them effecting birth rates so very unlikely for some researcher to have taken up on it yet).

    Currently, the only reasonable way one can compare the two is to see if there are any sources that independently claim they are contributers to declining birth rates (or not). I have presented multiple source for the first one (and have read more in the past). For the latter I don't think we will find any sources, but it is biased by the fact that it is a relatively new concept and people may not have studied it. In such a scenario the only reasonable action then is to default to logic and that is what I did. From my previous readings and my own perspective I think sentiment about life affects birth rates. From reasoning I imagine people get into serious relations with AI chatbots because they want to lead a life in isolation from Earth, they have stuff they feel like are missing from their life (hope for future etc) and they look for comfort in a chatbot that always confirms what you say, bigs you up no matter and presents minimal friction. So for me it makes more sense to view it a side-effect of again sentiment of life rather than an individual causative effect on declining birth rates. If true, this would mean because both declining birth rates and increase in chatbot romantic relations are caused by decreasing sentiment in life they may indeed be correlated but do not cause each other. And hence makes sense why someone who hasn't thought about it deeply may think it is causative.

    You have not contributed one bit to this discussion apart from aggravating the OP (me) and pulling the discussion in completely the wrong direction while trying to present an aura of the superior unbiased debater. lol.

  • it the current drop in fertility is generally caused by sentiment about life

    Do you understand what an ordering is or what it means when someone says

    drop in fertility has more to do with sentiment about life than AI chatbots

    Does it mean sentiment about life is the only explanation? No

    Does it mean sentiment about life is the major explanation? No

    It does require to show that sentiment about life does in fact effect fertility rates and here they are:

    https://popcouncil.org/insight/societal-pessimism-and-the-transition-to-parenthood-a-future-too-bleak-to-have-children/

    https://www.niussp.org/fertility-and-reproduction/future-fears-societal-pessimism-and-fertility-choices/

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8924345/

    Yea yea we get it you are so great at thinking outside the box and every other comment made is just ideological populist shit. Grow up and learn to discuss stuff with people.

  • also declining in countries which are doing well, across all social strata

    So when someone says "fucked up world" you imagine not country destroying wars, fascist presidents at the top of biggest countries and threat of a looming world war but how well someone's economic situation is? Interesting perspective.

    Also I don't think anything I have said provides a simple explanation for declining birth rates. It simply suggests an ordering between AI chatbots and fucked up world as causes of declining birth rates. So your comment doesn't really apply.

  • Declining birth rates has more to do with the fact that we live in a fucked up world. AI chatbot lovers is also probably a symptom of that. Not surprised goverments barking at the wrong tree though

  • "populist" is one way to put forced remigration and taking away earned rights.

  • keep every high level consumable until end game, spam the final boss with a storm of fury never seen before

  • A year ago my cat was living on the street. Today she has enough passive income to hire her own chef and masseuse. Follow her for more advice.

  • Yeah Elon no matter what you do, the geek/nerd crowd (that you imagine yourself to be a part of) will always hate you. You are stuck with toxic tech bros and racist pedophiles (including your daddy) for life. Enjoy.

  • And they do this because apps are the wild west of stealing user info when compared to internet

  • Almost the entire party (ok 2/3s) did vote no to some of Bernie's stop arms sales to Israel motions. So I think it is ok to demonize them when majority of the party seems to be in there for their own interests.

  • Might be their strategy, doesn't matter for me. Democrats who even voted no once to Bernie's stop arms sails is clearly victims of lobbying and did so to preserve their positions. So they can't be trusted no matter how many times they vote yes to stop arms sales. This is the level at which people should held them accountable.