Migrating here (or maybe keeping both) from @ArcaneSlime@lemmy.ml
Will put an eternal curse on your enemies for a Cinemageddon invite.
I never said it's good when someone gets shot either, you're sure a fan of putting words in other people's mouth.
What is good is self defense, what's not good is forgoing self defense in a futile attempt to rid a country of 600,000,000 guns, of their guns. Why don't you want women to be able to protect themselves from attacks? They are the fastest growing group of new owners for half a decade now, right above POC which is the second fastest, but you don't want women and POC to have their rights. (See, we can both play these stupid games.)
In fact since you like numbers, why don't we compare defensive gun uses to gun deaths yearly and see which one is more? I have all the figures if you're too lazy to look them up because I've already told them to 100 people just like you who are against defending yourself, but of course you'll just reject that too since it doesn't fit your narrow worldview hmm?
By the way are you aware of what the words "shut up and go away" mean? Do I need to use a different language? Cállate verga.
Well technically it would also solve that problem, but I meant "mental help for wishing death against those you dislike" help, they're different "helps."
No I mean I'm sorry to hear it in a general "it sucks anyone should have to go through that" way, I don't have to like you, you suck.
I never said "die," I said "fuck off." As in "go away and stop talking to me." Are you really this dense or are you fucking with me?
What are you even on about? I never said I fantasize about mass shootings, I'm a hair away from reporting you which I do not do usually.
If you're questioning "burglar or wife" because "dark?" Yeah, "flashlight" solves that real fast. You don't think a flashlight will help you see whether someone is your wife or a burglar? Your wife look like a lot of burglars or something? Why are you so against gun safety lmao? It's really strange tbh.
No u lol, you're the one advocating against best safety practices for cool alpha internet points, seek help.
Well we could count the times where nobody intervened, but that doesn't negate that "that means there was nobody there with a gun to intervene" either. (And I was born snarky tyvm.)
Sure they're relevant, it's just that in most of them there was no gun other than the one held by the shooter (who in many cases wasn't allowed to bring it either) and nobody stopped him with their judo.
Of the ones that did get stopped, 34% were stopped with something that is only 8% likely to be there. That's still significant numbers whether you like it or not.
Even still, 22 is 9% of 249, that's still at least consistent with "likelihood gun there" based on 8% of carriers. I'd say it further supports my guess that "when not, it because gun not there."
And none of this even takes into account the propensity to choose gun free zones as targets further lessening the likelihood of armed response, but I think I'll mention that now.
Finally, it's a bit out of the scope of mass shootings alone but as for defensive gun use per year Harvard estimates it at 100,000/yr, which is more than our gun deaths including suicide yearly. That is also worth mention as while mass shootings themselves are also rare, defense with firearms happens more than death with firearms yearly as a whole.
No? Ideally we would just stop talking now and that's that. I don't hope you die or kill someone just because I don't like you, if you wish that on people just because you don't like them you seriously need help.
Although I suppose I didn't consider medically assisted, I'm not opposed to that, as much as I'm not a fan of you I'm sorry to hear it.
In any case fuck off.
Tell that to Shinzo Abe.
Japan as a whole is largely uninterested in firearms: Graduating police officers most often choose judo and kendo over firearms training. The country's culture doesn't have a history of widespread gun ownership by citizens. Instead, historic influence have made weapons to be seen as "the mark of the rulers, not the ruled".[3]
Oh but yeah no clue why I would say they culturally prefer blades. Is there any historical context to the "mark of the rulers" bit I wonder?
Gun and sword control started in Japan as early as the late 16th century under Toyotomi Hideyoshi in order to disarm peasants and control uprisings.
Oh. Well that's cool.
Oh good to know thanks!
We've been done, you just refuse to shut up when someone politely declines your silly bullshit lol.
"Depending on the laws..." is it only legal to kill yourself or others with a gas leak in Canada? You planning on starting a gas leak? Not sure I want to know what you mean by that weird ass sentence but if you're experiencing suicidal or homicidal ideation of some sort please seek help, it's never the option you should take. I don't like you and don't let me know, but someone does I'm sure and I hope you get the help you need.
Tbh with their cultural aversion to firearms in favor of blades, I doubt this claim as well. In any case they're doing just fine killing themselves without them.
I wouldn't blame the guns, I'd blame the murderer. If your entire family was hacked up tomorrow would you blame Cutco? Have fun with that.
If it helps to use the 8% verifiable "CCW holders" then fine, there's still a low likelihood that any given person there has a gun to respond. The fact that you don't believe in "probability" isn't really my issue, everyone else understands it just fine.
And I assume you have a plan to get rid of over 600,000,000 guns in civilian hands without a registry to know where/who has what? Pandora's box has been opened, there will never not be guns, all we can do is stop people from buying new ones (which would certainly help disarm POC and women who are the two fastest growing groups of gun owners for damn near half a decade by now, if your goal is to make it so mostly white men have guns that could work I suppose.)
Japan proves guns aren't a prerequisite for suicide. In fact really only men do it with guns here, women opt for intentional poisoning statistically and since they're your sole focus it won't help much there.
19k killed, 100k defensive gun uses/yr (Harvard). 100k > 19k.
100k > 27k. 19,651+27,032=46,674, 46,674 < 100,000
Blah blah blah tldr.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=percent+of+americans+carry+guns&ia=web
Since you evidentially are unaware of the existence of search engines I'll provide this helpful link.
Now, if you just wholly reject the concept of estimates (lol but you do you) you can go with the raw "has CCW" number which is tracked, though low (due to constitutional carry/open carry), and would benefit my argument. Again IDGAF, 34% ain't that bad of a percentage for how few people carry whether you believe it or not, and you're clearly dead set on your preconceived notions that misrepresented data is good and estimates are bad (though there is the 8% of americans with verifiable CCW permits, that ain't no estimate), so again I must bid thee adeu.
I grind it like, snorting fine, and sprinkle it wet food and stir, has always worked for me.
Yes yes ignore any other data, I'm gonna be honest dude I don't actually care if you believe the data or not, you can look it up if you really care but you're clearly more interested in dismissing it so, have a nice day I guess, this little subthread has reached its logical conclusion, goodbye.
Lol ad hominem, the mark of someone who "won" an argument.
Thanks for playing dingus.